Juts found this site, haven’t looked around much, but it looks to be awesome.
More upon further review…
Juts found this site, haven’t looked around much, but it looks to be awesome.
More upon further review…
I didn’t like Subway’s response, so the issue has been passed along to the allergy people. I forwarded the entire conversation along with this explanatory note…
From: ERiC AiXeLsyD world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Subject: Allergy Concerns & Subway Restaurants
To: Info@aafa.org, info@worldallergy.org, info@aaaai.org, t.wirth@sfaft.org, webmaster@foodallergy.org, help@allergysupport.org, help@foodallergyadvocate.com, niaidnews@niaid.nih.gov, jlieu@aanma.org, mszegedy@aanma.org, info@faiusa.org, lmitchell@kidswithfoodallergies.org, nicole@allergicchild.com
Aloha Allergy Afflicted Amigos,
Please see my experience with Subway’s lack of concern for allergens and cross-contamination highlighted below, surrounded by their ensuing lack of customer service/respect. Their final unapologetic apology can be viewed on my blog.
I find their lack of concern quite disturbing. What can be done to make companies like this more aware of these issues that can be deadly for a certain percent of the population?
While shellfish is surely simple to sidestep, what about my peeps that are petrified by peanuts, terrans that are terrified by tree-nuts, friends that are fearful of fish, my mates that are mired by milk, my sidekicks that are scared of soy, or my well-wishers that are weary of wheat?
Thank you in advance for your time, and I hope you have a safe & happy Thanksgiving holiday!
Always Anti-Anaphylaxis,
-ERiC AiXeLsyD
Wow, amazingly… Quiznos is still on the job, and Subway is still not.
The W(aL)D inbox was empty today, save for this…
From: HelpDesk <HelpDesk@quiznos.com>
Date: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Subject: FW: The Quiznos Toasty TorpedoT ads?
To: FO Marketing <FOmarketing@quiznos.com>
Cc: world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.comThank you for your response back. Greg is currently out of the office so I will forward your comments on to our marketing team for you.
Rebecca Chamberlain
Help Desk Associate
QUIZNOS®
Subs • Soups • Salads
Our friends at Subway have still not written back… even though I was told by Mack Bridenbaker that Paula Gomez from Customer Care would address my concerns.
We also have another Quiznos email address to add to the collection.
If you need to catch up, here’s a time-line on this one:
If we’re keeping score, that’s Subway 1 and Quiznos 3½. (The responses saying you’ll get a response are only worth ½ in my point system, OK?)
So there you have it. Quiznos is awesome. Subway is not.
What is “FO Marketing” though?
At any rate, please let me know what you think of the insanity… and where I should go from here.
And the plot thickens…
On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:31 PM, “ERiC AiXeLsyD” <world.and.lunar.domination> wrote:
Hello Mr. Bridenbaker,
I had recently submitted some concerns via webform to your team at Subway, and it’s been over two weeks since I’ve has a response to my last message that asked for details regarding my experiences with Subway.
Since I hadn’t heard from you (or anyone at Subway) this past week, I decided to re-send my original message, and to ask if it’s been passed on to the appropriate parties?
Please find my original message at the bottom, the initial response from Subway, and my unanswered reply below.
I hope this can be directed to the correct person (or persons) for comment. Thank you for your time, I look forward to hearing your thoughts!
Sincerely,
-Eric
…and attached my previous message. Heh.
So, I (finally) got a response…
Forwarded message
From: Bridenbaker, Mack <m.bridenbaker@sfaft.org>
Date: Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Subway [Customer ID: 1918316]
To: ERiC AiXeLsyD <world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.com>
Cc: Paula Gomez <gomez_p@subway.com>, Kevin Kane <kane_k@subway.com>Eric,
Paula Gomez from Subway Customer Care will be able to help you with your concerns.Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone
Mack Bridenbaker
Mr. Bridenbaker is the Subway Spokesperson mentioned in the recent artticle about the $5 footlong. Google FTW.
I guess there’s more to come!
I also submitted the comments from my new friends at Quiznos to Ms. Seely for her review, to see if that will solicit a response.
So, for this to make any sense, you may have to read my past two blog posts, or at least just the last one. (I think that recaps everything, or at least links to the beginning.) It started when I began an email exchange with Subway that I thought was going somewhere… but, it’s been over a week since they’ve written back to me.
My short attention span got to wondering on Facebook the other day, and a friend suggested that I call Quiznos. Well, I’m not one for phone calls, but why not write to them, right? I decided to forward my comments to Sheetz, Quiznos, and Jersey Mike’s since I mentioned them all. So far, I’ve gotten two responses from Quiznos, and nothing from anyone else. Score one for them, even if the torpedoes are just bread sticks trying to be sandwiches.
I’ll even post ’em in “how you should read it” order so you don’t have to go from the bottom up like last time.
I started with…
From: ERiC AiXeLsyD [mailto:world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:52 AM
To: CreativeRequests@quiznos.com
Subject: Fwd: Subway [Customer ID: 1918316]Hello friends at Quiznos!
I hope this message finds you well. I recently wrote to someone who is a competitor of yours and mentioned your name.
You my friends, are true contenders in the sub business, and I thought you deserved to know how some of the other sub places in the area are faring against you… specifically Subway.
Never forget that you, my friends, were the first to toast the sub!
Please review my original message to Subway (at the bottom of the chain) at your convenience.
As you can see, my latest message to them as gone unanswered. Perhaps they’re too ashamed to reply.
Warmest Regards,
-ERiC AiXeLsyD
And, I got this…
From: HelpDesk <HelpDesk@quiznos.com>
Date: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Subway [Customer ID: 1918316]
To: world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.comMr. Aixelsyd,
Thank you for taking the time to share this with us. I found it to be a great read and with your permission I would like to share it with our marketing folks.
Thank you,
Gregory BoudreauxHelp Desk Lead
QUIZNOS®
Subs • Soups • Salads
I wrote back, but I’ll hold that until I get a response. (If I get one.)
As you know, I hate webforms, so I submitted through the Quiznos webform asking for the email address of a real live person. Well, it worked:
From: “Jones, Tony” <TJones2@Quiznos.com>
To: world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 8:16:52 AM
Subject: Quiznos BrandGreetings Eric,I am Tony Jones, the Vice President for Quiznos representing the Ohio/Indiana/Pennsylvania/Illinois region; Your Customer Comment was forwarded to my office, and I wanted to get back with you.My Contact Info:Tony JonesQuiznos Corp6429 Crofton CourtBurlington, KY 41005cell: 859-806-1730e-mail: tjones@quiznos.com
So, of course, I wrote back…
From: ERiC AiXeLsyD <world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Subject: Fwd: Subway [Customer ID: 1918316]
To: TJones2@quiznos.comHello Mr. Jones,
May I call you Indiana? My original message is below. I look forward to hearing your thoughts!
-Eric
Well, he ignored the goofy part…
From: Jones, Tony <TJones2@quiznos.com>
Date: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: Subway [Customer ID: 1918316]
To: ERiC AiXeLsyD <world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.com>Hi Eric,
Very interesting how other folks in the Sandwich segment of the restaurant business respond to customer input. As you probably already know, our niche in this business field is usually a more ‘personal’ one. That factor alone, is one of the distinguishing marks of the SUB businesses vs. other QSR’s burger, pizza, Mexican … Our customer base is one that is accustomed to being serviced with a much more personal touch. The interaction is more detailed as sandwiches are personalized, and often, we get to know our repeat customers by first name, and even their favorite sandwich as they will come in the door to order… With e-mail, and technology today, for multiple areas of customer feed-back, it really is a mistake for any business to not utilize all of these methods to get to know their clientele and service their needs. Obviously, you’re discovering some poor choices that other competitors have made with respect to customer accountability issues. In a world, that continues to become more and more demanding of peoples time, we should never lose sight of the importance of ‘good communication’. I think it’s very interesting on what your finding out about how effective communication is being ‘lost’ from the customer/service provider relationship; I find it extremely poor taste to use a ‘generic’ letter to address these areas of concern. Before I hurl the ‘judgmental javelin’ at Subway or other competitors, I do know that much of this customer response decision making is left up to area developers, DA’s, and local manager’s choice. Before Quiznos, I was a VP for the Kentucky region of Subway, and I always tried to personally respond to customer feedback. So, some of this is probably a time-management issue for a local representative of the larger entity.
With respect to my territory (Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky), I wouldn’t ever want to lose touch with my customer base. They are a crucial ‘gage’ to what we do at Quiznos;
Thanks for sharing this,
Tony
I’m still amazed that I can push a little, and still get articulate and thoughtful answers to these kinds of emails. I decided to write one final good note…
From: ERiC AiXeLsyD <world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: Subway [Customer ID: 1918316]
To: “Jones, Tony” <TJones2@quiznos.com>Thank you for the quick reply, Mr. Jones!
I appreciate that you take a more personal approach from the ground up! Technology can make things more personal if a company allows. Thank you for the opportunity to provide some feedback.
I can assure you that Quiznos restaurants are far superior to their direct competitors in the area surrounding Pittsburgh, PA. I have noticed that they have been scaled back in the recent years, but they’re still available where needed.
Keep up the good work!
-Eric
P.S. – The “We like the subs!” thing was a million times more awesome than the Jared or $5 Footlong campaigns.
I found it amusing that Yahoo! news linked to this article today calling it “Subway’s $5 recession buster“: The Accidental Hero
Perhaps Yahoo! and Subway are in a world domination plot of their own?
Gonna try this forwarding-an-email-to-my-blog thing out again.
My original message, the first non-automated reply from Subway, and my 1st response, all below. This is the follow up to my blog post entitled Five. Five dollar. Five dollar… foot up your ass. Please see that if you need more of a back-story.
-E.
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From: ERiC AiXeLsyD <world.and.lunar.domination@gmail.com>
To: Anna Marie Seeley <seeley_a@subway.com>
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 10:40:28 AM
Subject: Re: Subway [Customer ID: 1918316]
Hello Ms. Seeley,
Thank you for your swift reply! I am glad to see this is not an automated response. As I’m sure you’re aware, the bulk of my message was directed at the culmination of Subway’s identity as a corporate entity, its choice in advertising, and visits in general to restaurants in the Southwestern PA area over a number of years. My comments were meant for the eyes of someone on a higher corporate level. I feel that this is the level that needs to be made aware of who and what exactly is representing the Subway brand surrounding Pittsburgh.
I have included the full text of my original message below your reply for reference, as it was cut in half by the 3000 character limit, and not included in this message chain.
Below are the addresses of Subway restaurants (obtained form your store locator) that I can remember visiting over the years…
3147 Banksville Rd
Pittsburgh PA 15216
412-344-1345
4613 Centre Ave
Pittsburgh PA 15213
412-687-0701
4516 William Penn Hwy
Murrysville PA 15668
724-327-9255
4145 William Penn Hwy
Monroeville PA 15146
412-380-0380
195 A Sheffield Drive
Delmont PA 15626
724-468-1018
302 N Center Ave
New Stanton PA 15672
724-925-1898
1200 Corporate Dr
Canonsburg PA 15317
724-743-3200
2200 Washington Pike
(Located in Wal-Mart)
Carnegie PA 15106
412-279-2782
Eastgate Plaza
5126 Route 30, Ste 320
Greensburg PA 15601
724-836-2311
As for the specific location of the deathfish-flinging incident, that would be the Subway located in the Banksville Shopping Center on Banksville Road. The limited-menu location that I discovered in Wal-Mart is the Washington Pike address in Carnegie, PA.
I hope that you get a chance to review my first message in full, and are able to pass it on to the appropriate parties for a reply.
Thank you for your time, and care in directing this to the appropriate people. I hope to get another response as quickly as yours!
Sincerely,
-ERiC AiXeLsyD
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Anna Marie Seeley <seeley_a> wrote:
Dear Mr. Aixelsyd:
Thank you for taking the time to share your comments with us. Our customers
provide us with valuable input, which we use to improve our operations. As
part of that commitment, we know that we have to continuously seek
improvement and monitor our performance.All restaurants are individually owned and operated. In order for our local
regional office to investigate this properly, we need to know the exact
location of the SUBWAYR restaurant that you have visited. Can you please
reply by e-mail or by calling me at 1-800-888-4848 to provide me with a
complete address of the location you visited? Please refer to the Customer
ID listed below when replying.I appreciate that you took the time and effort to contact us and am looking
forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.Sincerely,
Anna Seeley x8201
Customer Care RepresentativeCustomer ID: 1918316
My original message in full:
Hello Sandwich Art Dealers,
I’d like to start out by saying I find that web submission comment forms are generally a letdown. As the submitter you’re usually sent a ‘form letter’ type of reply that doesn’t address any specific issues, and thanks you for the input. Less often, it’s followed up by a seemingly more caring missive that really doesn’t address anything specific, and sometimes attempts to placate the sender with some coupons, a T-shirt or something to that effect. It’s also generally a letdown, because I can’t cc myself a copy of what I sent, and it’s a 50/50 shot of whether my original comments are to be included in any future correspondence. Then there’s the issue of the dreaded “Your message exceeds XXXX characters” error message. When did someone’s opinion become relegated to a set limit of letters, numbers, and punctuation, my friends?
At any rate, I should move on to the point of my web form submission, as I’m sure you’ll agree by this point. I write to you today to express my general dissatisfaction with the state of Subway as it stands today.
At the top of the list: the inclusion of the seafood sub on your menu. This has plagued me for years. I have a severe shellfish allergy, and will go into anaphylactic shock if any food that I ingest were to come into contact with crab, lobster, shrimp, oyster, etc., or even the same food prep area. I have seen more than a few Subway employees who aren’t exactly sanitary in their sandwich artistry, flinging microscopic bits of crab (or imitation crab) meat all over the adjacent meats, cheeses, vegetables, and cutting board area. The last time I had this discussion with a slovenly employee at the Subway in the Kuhn’s Plaza on Banksville Road in Pittsburgh, PA… as I explained that my sandwich must not touch any shellfish or remnants of shellfish she touched the eternally-damned-to-the-wrong-function ice cream scoop that had been sitting in the red and white pile of mushy death and swung it all around spewing certain doom to the immediate food prep area and all the while exclaiming something to the effect of “Well, that’s OK, no one ever orders this stuff anyway.” I just stared blankly in disbelief as a reply. If she didn’t already know what her sandwich-baggied hands had just touched and distributed the contaminant that I had previously noted was a toxin to my system, then there was no way I was going to be able to impart this wisdom to her. I found myself having to exit on that occasion, to never return to that location.
Are sandwich artists trained in the ways of sanitary work stations, cross contamination, allergens, and general good hygiene? One would hope, but the question has been raised.
How can I complain about Subway if I never eat there, you ask?
I did discover that I could get my Subway fix due to the limited-menu Subway located inside the WAL-MART in Heidelberg, PA. After all, as I’m sure you know… the smell of your bread baking is intoxicating. Sadly my friends, that is where the romance ends. I used to applaud the meatball sub from Subway, and held it as the standard to which all meatball subs were to be measured. This was once upon a time when the bread was doughy, the triangle was removed from the top, and replaced… keeping the meatballs secure in a blanket of cheese to ensure safe delivery to my digestive system. I know, this was a lifetime ago, but it still burns, amigos. It still burns. (I even remember the waffle fries that went through their own tiny toaster oven which have sadly gone the way of the Dodo.)
Have you seen the Left-Handed Cartoon about Subway, cheese tessellation, and soul-crushing disappointment? A friend of mine posted the humorous drawing on a message board a while ago… and sadly it rings true of the current state of Subway. (It’s located at http://www.lefthandedtoons.com/77/ for your reference if needed.)
Lastly, I find the current crop of five-dollar foot long commercials to be among the most annoying in the world… especially the one with Jared and the football players. What advertising company actually took money for that? Hopefully it was an in house idea. If not, then you were played (as they say in the streets).
As noted in my opening paragraph, I understand that is customary to include a trite reply and coupons in apology for dissatisfaction. If so inclined… please make sure they’re for Jersey Mike’s, Quiznos, or Sheetz. (FYI, Sheetz touts a far superior foot-long sub for only $4… This reminds me of when you guys started toasting subs after Quiznos moved to town.) I would include W.G. Grinder’s, but they recently started serving a crab-cake sub, so they’re also on ‘the list’. Perhaps a Jimmy John’s coupon would work? They’re fairly new to the Pittsburgh area, and I’ve yet to go to one… I wouldn’t mind trying them out! Jersey Mike’s is by far my favorite though. They’re not the cheapest, but worth the price in quality! Being a national chain, you may not be familiar with local Pittsburgh area heavyweights Carhops or Uncle Sam’s. They would be sandwich makers to emulate!
If you’re not comfortable providing a coupon to a direct competitor, I understand completely. I would also appreciate any discounts from Qdoba, Chipotle, or the Pita Pit.
Thank you for your time, I look forward to your personally tailored reply, and perhaps a continuing dialog on Subway’s sandwich artists, advertising, and overall quality of the name brand.
Best Regards,
-Eric AiXeLsyD
(I reviewed this Subway last year on Urbanspoon.)
Dear Mr. Carroll,
Thank you for your inquiry below. Sonic
allergen information can be found at www.sonicdrivein.com
under the menu and nutritional tab. From this tab choose Quick View tab at the
top. All Sonic allergen information can be found on the left hand side of this
web page.
From reviewing the allergen statement, the
only product that may contain a fish allergen is the fish sandwich. As the fish
sandwich is not a menu item at this Sonic, Sonic may run local promotions for
fish from time to time.
Best Regards,
David
David Abney
Sonic Quality Assurance Department
From: Eric Carroll
[mailto:my@ddre.ss]
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 3:34 PM
To: Sonic PR; T Lemley Sonic
Partner Net
Subject: Sonic – Allergen
Information?
Hello
Good Citizens at Sonic,
I’m writing to ask about an ominous little warning that I noticed yesterday
afternoon on the Sonic menu board in Bridgeville ,
PA.
I was so stricken by the statement, that I took a photo with my cell
phone. (I’ve cropped to &
highlighted the pertinent information for your reference.)
The warning (as I’m sure you’re familiar with) reads:
Products
containing allergens (e.g. peanuts, fish, eggs, milk, soy, wheat, etc.) are
used in this restaurant and may come in contact with your food or drink.
I’d like to ask why this is so vague. I can assure you, the
“etc.” at the end is quite ominous for someone that’s deathly
allergic to something like myself.
Some restaurants feature
allergen info. quite prominently on their websites&menus. I
would like to respectfully encourage you to do the same in future
re-vamps/revisions of your menu boards & website.
I would also like to ask exactly where
fish is used in the restaurant? I can’t seem to find any on the menu…
unless it’s in the hot dogs. (I only suggest this because I have read
allergen information that states that hot dogs may contain a trace amount of
fish and/or shellfish.)
I ask because the allergen that holds me in its powerful grasp is shellfish.
Does shellfish fall under the dreaded “etc.”? I can assure you,
that if I were to consume some tater-tots fried in the same fryer as a nice
tasty-yet-deadly crustacean, my next destination would be the nearest hospital.
I beseech you to be more forthcoming and informative with your allergen
disclosure policy… and use it as a tool instead of a legal “CYA” (if you’ll
pardon the expression).
I know I’m more prone to dine at and suggest to my friends the places that take
allergies into consideration. As you may be able to imagine, I have a
very limited selection of establishments where I feel comfortable eating.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the subject!
Inquisitively,
-Eric
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fo nuf ekam ot ynnuf ton yllaer s’tI